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[masonracing]

Butcher,

Local racing is not even comparable to class racing. They are 2 different animals. If someone makes the decision to race the circuit, you kinda realize that its going to cost alot of money. But the end of the year rewards are far greater.

Also, you (or your CPA) must not know the tax laws very well. The traveling comes out as almost a wash at the end of the year. Answer this question question. How do you end up getting good sponsors? How many local racers have what you would consider good sponsors?

I don't care if it's 2k, 1500, 1200, or whatever. But when I pull through the gates, I like to know what I'm running for. I will say that $800 is ridiculous. There's this thing called splitting in bracket racing, that everyone seems to want to do. That's not a word in I/NHRA racing. So your "advertised" winning purse at any bracket race becomes considerably less.

For what it's worth, I've won my fair share of MP's 2k purses. not sure what your point is.

[TX55]

you keep saying 800 dollars but when does the city ever have 30 or less cars in top. Top usually has a good car count. Dont see them ever paying 800.

[Chris_Butcher]

Class racing is little different i agree, but all i`m saying is everyone biotches about payouts but they never will bitoch about a $125-$135 entry for a grand....are you fu*ing kidding me...WTF ever.....now thats a fu*ing deal there...LMAO....but it is a different animal. ....or what about that $200 gamblers reace....WTF anyone even running that chit for...LMAO.

What ever you wanna think on the traveling (i`ve done both i know ), LMAO.....sponsor i`m talking about the class chit not local racing.

As far as winning, i`m just saying how many times you actually win a race, as far as splitting that`s your problem not mine, that`s your choice not mine.

TX55 your exactly right on that.

[masonracing]

I don't understand why you get so defensive at everything I post. I said how I disagree with the structured purse format and I think it will decrease car counts. Hope I'm wrong. You always seem to bring up class racing. It's whatever. I'll race where I want to, you race where you want to. No biggie.

Let's look at facts, since you want to talk about me and my racing. For the last few years you've managed a track that has barely been able to make it. If you're track paid the new advertised payouts that mountain park has, it would be a guaranteed $800 every weekend. Even the big races hosted over there we're lucky to have 20 cars. Why would anyone listen to you in regards to running a race track? Just saying.

Ill go back to preparing for the upcoming race season, you can go back to riding scottys coat tails. I will race at Mountain Park whenever possible. Im not a fan of the new payout, but it is what it is. I hope it draws 70+ cars every week, then the structure doesn't matter.

This will be my last post regarding this topic.

[TX55]

I knew top guys wouldnt like it when i seen it, but just because they have sunk more money into there rides doesn't mean they should get a guaranteed purse. Im gonna tell ya mod guys are just happy they are putting a effort to them they sh*t on us the year they just dropped us out of the line up and its still gonna take em a little while to get it built up cause people are still a little gun shy but i think this is a step in the right direction and if people dont worry about people not coming and car count being low and just go race car count will be just fine in top.

[minksracing366y]

I agree with Jeremy. Clay city will pay a lot of 800 to win races. This is because no one wants to take a chance of winning 800 dollars. I for sure ain't gonna run to clay city every weekend. Travis I have seen cc have less than 30 Alot during the beginning of the season.

Clay city needs to guarantee at least 1200 to win.

Also I race for fun and to be with my mom and dad. That's why me and dad race. It's a way for us to hang out and have fun. But I can't run for a hot dog to win and a coffee to runner up. I have to win money. I don't have Scotty spotting my bill to race. I go to college and my winnings is how I make it to the races. If I had Scotty spotting my bill I could race for anything. Nothing again anyone but I can't afford to race for nothing.

Also yeah $800 is not a good payout for around here. Yeah it beats owingsville but London and lake Cumberland pays more. That's where you will find me at mostly this year!

[TX55]

the city might have low car count first few races but what track dont at the beginning of the year alot of people wont race until it warms up. If they do pay 800 it will be because people wont race where they want it will be because they want more money but if people would just continue to race where they want like the city payouts will be just fine but everybody jumps straight to they wont have enough cars thats what would cause them to not have the cars, people automatically assume they wont and race somewhere's else.

[Chris_Butcher]

First off Jeremy i`m not bashing no one. My point is you as do several others sit and complain about payouts but you will go pay $125-$135 entry for a $1000 and travel 6 hours for it. Tell me how that makes since. Not saying class racing isnt fun and all cause i know it is, and yes it`s different racing but same thing when it comes to payouts.

As for me running Bluegrass seems like i must did pretty good as i got a few tracks i could go work for right now. And mink Bluegrass never paided less than $800 on a Saturday night, and Lake Cumberland paying more...WTF ever...i won Top down there last year and it paid $500, i didnt complain about it at all. You dont know much mason either cause i dont think not 1 big money race at Bluegrass had 20 cars, and Bluegrass averaged around 40 top my first full year, last year went down but there was alot more to what caused it that wasnt nothing to do with me, guys like you are what hurts the sport overall and more so on a local level, all you wanna do is complain and cry about the tracks trying to cover there azz when things are not good for them, as they say "JUST SHUT UP AND RACE" .

TX55 your right Top racers spend $50,000 to $100,000 on racing operation so they think they have to race for big money every weekend,local raing not 4 them, they need to hit the road with that kind of coin and race were the money is at, just what i think. I love beating up on them big dollar cars with junk.

If it was up to guys like you guys,he!! we wouldnt have no race tracks to race at,cause they all would go broke as he!! real quick.

[minksracing366y]

Well butcher the way I see it you have been driving Scotty's cars so are you calling them junk now? Also I don't have 50,000-100,000 in my operation. As philbilly says I race with what I got. I have an old junky nova that is barely considered a real race car. But when I race I wanna race for more than 800. All I have been saying is that I can't drive an hour and half and be guaranteed 800 when a track is 45 minutes away that pays 1200 or 800 guaranteed. And yeah I went to the lake and they paid 500. But at least you run 5 rounds and it's over. Little different in my opinion. They try to pay 1000 If they get the car count. When I go I bring several extra with me. If the lake has 20 they told me they would pay 1000. No lie.

Travis I agree cc did put a hurting on no box. I hope they get a good car count for you all.

[Chris_Butcher]

mink never said you had a 50k car, just saying as to what someone else said about top guys spending lots of money on there cars. As for Scotty`s cars i only been driving for him since last month of last season and his cars are not junk but there not 50k cars either, thats all i`m saying about that, just saying like you its sweet beating them in a car they wouldnt even drive. I`m not trying to bash no one i just know what it takes for a track to run a race and i know for a fact that they cant keep doing what they do and lose moey. How many people that own there own business stay in business very long breaking even or losing money, not many at all. I just wanna see tracks make money and survive and us racers need to support them and go race no matter which track we race at really. I`m gonna try and race all local track when i`m not traveling racing which i will be doing quit a bit this year but i`m still not gonna support the races that are not put on by the tracks them selfs. And i uderstand what your saying about traveling, i raced at Bluegrass for several years for alot less money to win and at the end of the year i would win double what other`s won "chasing the tracks paying bigger money around. For one reason i only traveled 5 miles every week and was home by 10-11pm a could win the race and they had pretty good turnouts then also around 50 top 30 or so footbrake. Bluegrass Rocked back in its day.

[TX55]

london will probably be fine and get there car counts but if something happened and they dont have it they wont continue to pay the full money either cause they couldn't afford to just like any other track

[TX55]

these two tracks arent really all that different on there payouts if you stop to look at it
WIN RU SEMIS QTRS
London 1200 300 100 50 with 45 cars total of $1650 payout

Mt Park 1200 350 95 40 with 40 cars total of $1685 payout

Entry's and buybacks even out to the same amount

So the way i read it city pays more with less cars yes london is paying 2000 to win but only in ten races of this year.

Heres how it looks at 2000
WIN RU SEMIS QTRS 1/8ths
London 2000 400 100 50 ? with 45 cars total $2550
Mt Park 2000 500 150 75 25 with 56 cars total $2750

With eleven more cars you have more of a chance to get money at the city with them paying back to the 1/8ths and paying more all the way through why not support them with more chance of at least winning some money at the end of the night. When people see the payouts they automatically look at the least one on the list dont take time to think about it

City could also drop down to 51 cars six more than london and still pay a total of $2250 only 300 less and still pay back to the 1/8ths only difference is city will do this every weekend not only ten races of the year

Everybody have fun racing where they want

[maliburacer]

only thing is if london gets 25 cars they are still paying $1200 where if cc gets 25 cars they are at $800. thats what looks so bad. like you said if the cars will show it wont matter anyway... just have to wait and see....

[TX55]

if people wouldn't worry about it and come race wouldn't be anything to worry about anyway city always had good top crowd, but if london repeatedly got that kind of crowd they would drop purse to they couldn't afford not to

[minksracing366y]

Yeah it's the same payout but the point is the ones that live closer to London will go to London.

[TX55]

i know the ones closer will but they will be running for 1200 every weekend while the city is running for more. I can count at least twenty top cars i know will be there this year and i just counted them up real quick city will be fine on there payouts i will be real surprised if they aren't.

[joshbaker]

I won't give my opinion but I now won't enter a points program at either. I had intended on running mt parks points but with an uncertain payout I will leave my options open. It costs around $200 easily to go to a local race for a night. The possibility of running for $800 is not one I will commit to.

[TX55]

i dont ever see them running for 800 dollars but people are gonna think what they think so dont matter i guess all i know is if all the same people that supported city last year supported this year there would be no worries in city paying more than any local track around here but noone else looks at it this way

[Chris_Butcher]

The time of year really what that payouts reflicts to is during the hot sumer months of July and August when alot of racers stay at home in the AC or swimming pools.

[TX55]

i dont care how hot it is im racin you know that butchie lol